Wednesday, April 18, 2012

OK someone help me...

pulling 10k in firelands is not cool not matter how much i lag...

Priorities ive been using is mangle debuff>bleeds yes at 5 point>Savage roar>shred to build points and blowing cds on cd
i have no idea what i'm doing wrong but at my gear i know i should be pulling more than 10k... (ignore the gem less pants i just got them i haven't the cash for gems need to do dailies)
no help =/
Expertise is low, and Hit isn't fully capped, should have 8% hit and 26 Expertise, ALso Mastery should be reforged onto everything, stats are Hit/Exp > Mastery > Crit > Haste, keep both bleeds up at all times Mangle for the Debuff, Savage Roar up at all times, and other then that just use your Bite with 5 points

this is easy


Reforge all hit and exp to master go by this Agi>mastery>haste>crit>hit/exp

some will say yes to this, some might say haste over mastery or crit over haste or say hit/ exp capp over all but ive done around 15k dps on one boss in fl and thats shannox and u do run a few times in that fight and the rotation mangle if no warrior or rogue-pop bers cd- rake- shread if not 5cp rip shread to get 5cp savage roar shread to get 5cps. Use tigers fury win up all the time and if u are talented in it when the boss is under 25% health to keep rip on target use bite.
if you can link logs im sure you can get more help from number crunchers so they can get a better idea for your uptimes and all that.
Reforge everything to mastery. My cat set has 22 mastery and pulls ~25k with only the hit/exp that is left from reforging out of it. Other than that, getting a better weapon will help a LOT.. consider Ranseur's(haste/crit) if you cant get flamescythe(mastery/crit), as the dps increase from the higher level weapon will be huge. Be sure to hit Tiger's Fury ON CD.. this will also go a long way. hope this helps, gl!

Also, Glyphs are good.(tho you have the dps ones)
Hit / Exp aren't completely required for ferals. Depends on the playstyle you prefer. If you hate missing or use Swipe a lot, then sure, go for full hit / exp cap. I run about 5% hit, maybe a little more usually (sorry, logged out in PVP gear and am not home to change it - I'm more of a raider than a PVPer, thats why nothing's enchanted. :P), but I'm comfortable putting up with some occasional misses.

Because shred has the positional requirement, and is our best attack (bleeds / finishers aside), exp isn't really necessary, unless you are forced to be in front of a boss for extended lengths of time for whatever reason.

I dump all the extra stats I save into haste / mastery. (40% of anything that has hit / exp on it, or just plain replacing it with something without hit / exp on it. Though, I'm more picky about not having exp on my gear than hit.)

That said, I would like to see your rotation / uptimes. 10k is a bit low. HOWEVER. One major contributor to this is your weapon. Feral melee attacks and skills (possibly bleeds as well, I can't remember atm) are based on the weapon's damage.

As an example, I was using a 346 weapon in the middle of T11 content, and was very low in the DPS pack. The second I got Malevolence (it was my last 359 replacement, because I was unlucky with rolls / winning it), I shot up to first. This is essentially the same issue you may be experiencing at least in part.

My recommendation is to upgrade that 353 to the Ranseur by running FL trash runs if you can find them on your server.

Also, upgrading that 346 to Fluid Death (JP trinket) or Ancient Seed (FL dailys -> purchased with gold) will help. Or replace both trinkets with that combination. From what I understand, the Coren's trinket isn't all that great either.

The relic has a partial stam gem... That slot can have anything in it - best to have +40 agi, or the agi / hit if delicate gems are too expensive on your server, since at least the hit does SOMEthing for DPS. (Since you're double feral, I assume your other spec is tank (haven't looked at it, and this piece may share between DPS / Tank set?)

Couple missing enchants as well as the gemless pants...

The head has a tanking gem... The DPS gem is: Agile Shadowspirit Diamond. (Again, unless this, too, shares with the tanking set.)

The spec looks standard, so that's not the issue.

My best guess between everything: looking at the uptimes of rip/rake/SR and replacing the weapon / trinkets will do you the most good.

Edit: Also, you're missing a ton of glyphs. I recommend slotting those as well, but you have the important ones as far as DPS is concerned.
pulling 10k in firelands is not cool not matter how much i lag...

Priorities ive been using is mangle debuff>bleeds yes at 5 point>Savage roar>shred to build points and blowing cds on cd
i have no idea what i'm doing wrong but at my gear i know i should be pulling more than 10k... (ignore the gem less pants i just got them i haven't the cash for gems need to do dailies)


If you are blowing CDs, be sure to pop TF first then Beserk, as they can stack that way. I open with rip it is 1x mangle, TF, Beserk, 1x rake, ?x shred to get to 5 cp, rip. Then I shred once and get SR up, then keep all debuffs/SR up, put up FFF, and FB when I have 5 extra cp and rip/SR aren't about to expire. At the start of the fight, I am well over 20k with less gear (ilvl 357) than you (I had the same staff...I got the 365 one now for dps though I appear to have logged out in my resto gear). My dps would go down the longer the fight went on, but it never dropped below about 16k.

As far as stats, hit and expertise are better for AoE since swipe will hit more often. For single target, they are all about equal according to most of the theorycrafting that I have read. If you are sharing pieces with your feral set, you really should reforge some stats into dodge.
Get an addon like bad kitty or droodfocus to watch your buffs, debuffs, and bleeds.

I'm nearly certain you're simply "not doing it right" to get such abysmal DPS. The above addons will help you do it right by giving you all the information you need in one spot to more easily make the decision of what button to push.
For 10k dps in that gear we really do need to see your logs, or get a more detailed description of what you are doing, in order to help because there is definitely something more than reforging/enchanting choices going on here.

If you are running in pugs see if anyone is logging, if not you can do it yourself by creating a profile on worldoflogs.com and follow their directions on the help page to get it uploaded. You can even do this on a target dummy for 5 minutes or so and then upload it.
You're gemming and enchanting like a tank. You have the tanking helm meta and boot enchant, no mastery on your gloves, no agi on your cloak or wrists. You should get some of that crit off the trinket and into mastery. And don't half-!@# stat priorities. Pick one and go with it. Bump up that 17 expertise to 26, or reforge it into mastery. Your hit rating's in a comfortable place for the most part.

Put the hit back on to that Matoclaw's band and reforge the crit into some mastery.
Reforge the crit off the helm and into mastery
Crit off the neck into mastery
Haste off the shoulders into mastery
Haste off the chest into mastery
Crit off the wrists into mastery
Haste off the legs into mastery
Haste off the gloves into mastery

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